I've been looking for a cute mary jane pump with thick low heels. I ordered an 8.5 and I wear between that and a 9. It would have been good to try a 9 but I'll make it work. They are tight with socks on but fit comfortably with pantyhose. They look great on and are semi-comfortable to walk in. They are a little stiff and will take some breaking in. But the shape and style overall is very cute and sexy.